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Welcome to the Stress Nanny, the podcast where we take the overwhelm out of parenting and help kids and parents build calm, confidence, and connection.
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I'm your host, Lindsay Miller, kids' mindfulness coach and cheerleader for busy families everywhere.
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Each week we'll explore simple tools, uplifting stories, and practical strategies to help your child learn emotional regulation, resilience, and self-confidence, while giving you a little more peace of mind too.
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I'm so glad you're here.
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Welcome to the Stress Nanny Podcast.
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My guest today is Kristen Cogan.
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She's a licensed therapist, coach, and mom of five who helps high-achieving, overwhelmed moms trade survival mode for a life that feels calm, confident, and fully in their control.
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A straight talking, heart-led guide with over two decades of experience, Kristen knows exactly what it's like to carry the mental load and feel like fine is the finish line.
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She empowers women to step out of survival mode and into their magnetic mama era, one where peace, presence, fun, and joy aren't a fantasy, but a daily reality.
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Kristen, thanks so much for joining me.
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I'm so excited to be here today.
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I think it's gonna be a great conversation.
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Yeah.
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So when you reached out, one of the things that struck me immediately was this idea that overwhelm is something that has come about more recently for moms.
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Like it's always been a really hard job with a lot of pieces, but the level of overwhelm that moms are facing in modern life is different than at any other time.
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Can you talk a little bit more about that?
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Yeah, I mean, I think today moms are carrying a completely different load than like our own mothers did, right?
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And no one's prepared us for it.
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We're in this new age of technology and social media, and we're raising our kids in a world that just never turns off.
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There's no village to help us anymore, but there's constant noise surrounding us, right?
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And we have so many pressures on us set by society and then that we put on ourselves the pressure to be a gentle parent, to be an emotionally perfect mom, the invisible load of managing every appointment, meal, schedule, meltdown, and doing it perfectly and looking the part while we're doing it right.
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And it's exhausting to keep up with this.
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I have to do it all and I have to do it well every moment of every day.
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And it's just so draining for moms that we don't even know what we're doing because we're just constantly like on the hamster wheel.
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Yeah, just that continual cycle with no real respite from information, communication, the needs around us, right?
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Yeah.
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There's no breaks, right?
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And our nervous system never gets a chance to catch up or shut down and relax.
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Yeah.
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And like you're saying, we're designed for that, right?
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Like our nervous system is by nature designed to have a little minute to settle so that it can recalibrate and reset for the next day.
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And so without that, we end up with stress levels that just keep elevating without the dip to bring us back down to what feels manageable.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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And I feel like a lot of women I work with don't even know what manageable feels like, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's so foreign.
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Totally.
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I was just talking to my sister-in-law the other day.
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Our audience knows I have an autoimmune condition.
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And so in my early 30s, I needed to recalibrate my stress levels in a really kind of dramatic way because part of the remission process was just some lifestyle changes.
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Anyway, my sister-in-law reached out the other day because she's in a similar situation and needing to make some changes.
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And as we were talking, there were some dietary components, you know, some lifestyle components and then just general knowledge that she needed.
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And that we both agreed, like for her with her six kiddos, the lifestyle components were hands down going to be the most complicated part of the process for her.
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Cause she was like, How do I even like exactly what you said?
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What does that even look like for me to bring my stress levels down to a place where I feel like I can reset every day?
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She's like, I don't even know what that world is.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And it's a slow process to learn and it feels really uncomfortable at first because everyone feels like we're being judged and you're not doing enough.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's such a good point that the contrast or just the decision to move the needle in the other direction instead of accepting that overwhelm is the status quo and take those actions, like you're saying, it's one of the hardest parts, right?
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Because it does mean we reclaim a little bit of what we've kind of like left around us.
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And that process of reclamation can feel selfish.
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It can feel scary.
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I feel like sometimes it can feel isolating if we're not showing up for people the same way we used to.
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You have some really great ways to explain this, including like emotional hygiene.
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Talk to us about some of the ways that you help moms navigate this process in a gentle to them and compassionate way.
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Right.
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Yes.
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Well, emotional hygiene is like the daily care that your inner world needs because we're always focused on the outer world.
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And it's making that shift to focus internally.
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So just like we brush our teeth every day to prevent cavities, to take care of our physical hygiene, we have to take care of our emotional hygiene as well to prevent an emotional buildup, that resentment, burnout, overstimulation, those like, I can't do this one more second moments that moms have sometimes.
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And so it really means like taking a minute to check in with yourself before you explode, you know, building in that capacity to even pause.
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A lot of us don't have that.
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And then we go down that guilt spiral because we've exploded.
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Learning just to name our feelings instead of stuffing them down, releasing guilt and frustration, practicing grounding tools and regulation skills on a daily basis, having that be part of a daily habit and not just something that you want to use when everything's going chaotic, right?
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Yeah.
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Because it's not gonna work then.
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Or if it's gonna work, it's only gonna dial it down just a notch, not enough.
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Yeah.
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Learning to set boundaries to protect your peace is part of emotional hygiene, repairing with your kids or your partner when you do lose it, because we've got to stop that shame and guilt spiral afterwards.
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And just learning to restore your nervous system back to what we call the window of tolerance, that place where we feel safe and connected and comfortable and in control, right?
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Yeah.
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Moms, we're constantly outputting our emotional, mental, and physical abilities.
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And so we just have to find a way to rein that back in.
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Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.
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And one of the things I think is especially challenging, and you allude to this in your work as well, is that right now a lot of moms are navigating that space, trying to learn those skills themselves while caring for elderly parents and teaching young children.
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And it's a really tricky skill set to learn in the thick of all of that, right?
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To come to emotional intelligence and be like, perfect, in the middle of all this chaos on both sides of me generationally, I'm gonna implement these skills and then share them with all of those around me because that's what we do as mothers, right?
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Is we're like, once I know, I need to make sure my kids know and I can try to help my mom do some of these things too.
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Or benefit everybody.
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Yeah, and it does benefit everybody, but it's so tricky to learn in the thick of it.
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Uh-huh.
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It is.
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You have to remember that you have to start small.
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I'm always telling the women I work with like, small is big, slow is fast, and simple is powerful.
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Because we always want to get to the end result as fast as possible.
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And we miss a lot in doing that.
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You know, I love to collapse time when I can, but we do have to build up and teach ourselves these things.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's such a good point.
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And I will use similar phrasing with the clients that I work with, right?
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Because I'm teaching kids these skills and then I'm sending parents email updates talking about what we've learned.
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And then parents are kind of just figuring stuff out on their own or utilizing coaches like you to help them learn as well.
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But one of the things we talk about is that building the foundation for these skills, it takes us three to six months to just start, right?
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To start to notice when a pause would be helpful.
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And so as we're implementing and practicing, I think it's easy to get to a point where you feel totally at your wit's end and at the end of just all of your tools that you've used are not working and be like, okay, I need some help.
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And then you come to the skills and you're like, okay, this is not a quick fix.
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We're not just taking something and implementing it tomorrow.
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And the practice of undoing a lifetime of self-deprecation takes a lot of time, right?
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And for me, at least, that's the root of a lot of it is just that self-compassion piece that we have to put in place in order for the other skills to follow.
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But what's so rewarding is to get those quick wins.
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Like parents will usually see something in the first three months that's a shift, and then we can start to snowball after that.
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But I always try to give them the vision, right?
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Of where we're headed.
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And I think that's what you're saying too.
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If you can just appreciate that those small interactions or those small shifts that you're making are actually really big.
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Or that the momentum you're building is leading you somewhere pretty incredible and it's gonna have such a high impact, tethering to the vision can be so helpful.
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Exactly.
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You just have to trust the process, which can be really hard.
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Yeah.
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Especially again, when you're investing the time and energy into it and wanting the results yesterday.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I love the things you shared as emotional hygiene.
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And I think that the key to what we're talking about is regular implementation, right?
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It's like not a just use it when you're stressed out or, oh yeah, my kid just made me so frustrated.
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I better start breathing right now.
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Right.
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It is really those day-to-day moments of practice when we're calm that lend the strength and support when we need it.
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So talk to us about how we can do that on a daily basis instead of just trying to tune in when we're overwhelmed.
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Yeah.
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First is just recognizing that that's important.
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Yeah.
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And that it seems silly to practice these things when you are feeling calm or grounded, right?
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You're like, why do I need this?
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Yeah.
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And I think a lot of my clients realize they practice it when they're feeling pretty good and they're like, oh, I didn't realize maybe I was a little more elevated than I thought I was, right?
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So it's really learning what does calm or neutral feel like?
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And when you're coming from a place of an activated nervous system all the time, it can be really uncomfortable to feel calm because there's no activation.
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Like a lot of clients say it feels like vanilla or boring.
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And like, why would I want to be here?
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Because I don't feel that charge.
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Yeah.
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So first step is just learning that that's okay not to feel anything.
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And then practicing small little things.
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I love to tell people doing something for 30 to 60 seconds multiple times throughout the day is going to be in my eyes more beneficial than sitting down and doing a 45 minute meditation.
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Because first of all, like who has 45 minutes to actually dedicate to a meditation on a daily basis?
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When you've got a bunch of kids running around.
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Yep.
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No, I definitely don't.
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But you can make these shifts happen just building on 30 seconds multiple times a day.
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Yeah, totally.
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I agree.
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And I think that the point that the consistent practice is the goal is so important, right?
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And it is again in one of those situations where it's a simple thing that makes a big impact.
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Or how did you say a small thing that has a big impact?
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Yes, exactly.
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And so learning how can I build this into my day, right?
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That's the first question everyone asks.
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It seems so foreign.
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What can I do?
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And so I always use habit stacking as a great way to do it.
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So, you know, if you're making your coffee in the morning while that's brewing, you could take four calming breaths.
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Or my favorite is my shift from ending my work day to going to pick up my kids and using that time in the car before I go in to greet them to center myself.
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And it looks different every day.
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It might be me like jamming out to a trailer swift song one day, and the next day it might be me sitting in quiet and just taking some deep breaths and always reminding myself that I want to greet my children with a smile is one of my mantras that helps.
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And it really doesn't take that much time to shift from the weight of the day into mom mode, right?
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Yeah.
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So a lot of times it's like, oh, I gotta go get my kids, and the evening cycle is gonna happen, and it's just a little dreadful sometimes.
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We're being honest.
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And so reframing your mindset can be helpful.
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And then before bed, I think it's a great time to just put your hand on your heart, tell yourself you've done a great job today with what you've had, and take a few deep breaths.
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And again, these things seem so simple and so kind of silly in a way, but they really do have a huge impact on your body and how you start showing up with the others around you.
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Yeah, a hundred percent.
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I couldn't agree more.
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And I love the simple ways that you weave it in.
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I'm also a big fan of habit stacking.
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So with the kids, we talk about that too.
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Like after you brush your teeth or when you're putting on your backpack, could you take three deep breaths?
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Because if you're racing out of the house, maybe that's not the best time to do it because you're not calm.
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But you know, if you're waiting at the bus stop, there's so many opportunities throughout the day if we choose to take them for adding that little bit of calm.
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And I love to make it visual, especially for kids, right?
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So we'll draw like a stress chart and talk about stress going up and then us bringing it back down like a roller coaster, right?
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And then it goes up for another thing, and then you bring it back down.
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And mom life is that 100%, right?
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It's a complete roller coaster, especially after school, like you're talking about.
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And I love that visual, it's helping nor normalize that it's okay to get stressed.
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We all get stressed, and then we got to bring it back down, right?
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Yeah.
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Another key thing I always think is don't wait for quiet.
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If you're waiting for the quiet moment to practice these things, it's not gonna happen.
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So you can ground and center yourself with loud kids in the car while your kids having a meltdown.
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It's not about the environment you're in, but it's just the practice of training your body to do these things.
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Yeah, it's such a good point because the stop light is where I will often take a deep breath.
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Yeah.
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So it just if I'm stopped at a red light, usually that's frustrating for me because I don't like being stopped at red lights.
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And so it's good for me to just appreciate the minute that I have instead of getting frustrated.
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So it's a double benefit for me.
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But I think just those moments, sometimes the radio's on, right?
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And I don't always just turn the radio off to take my deep breath.
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I'm just like, okay, stopping.
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I'm taking a deep breath.
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I am fully paused in this moment.
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Yeah.
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And then the light's gonna turn green and I'm gonna go be on with my day.
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But it's not the kind of meditation you might envision or experience in yoga class or, you know, see other people participate in on retreats.
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Like mom life meditation tends to be a little bit more scattered, loud, and just out of necessity wherever it happens.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, but that's great.
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And when you practice it at every green light or red light, it becomes more automatic when you do start to feel triggered, which is awesome.
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Yeah.
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I think it's a good point too, though, the normalizing, because I am especially keen on kids recognizing the value of stress because I think sometimes we have combatant relationships with it, and it really can serve us, right?
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As long as we're not stuck in that adrenal cycle where it's a con we're constantly under duress.
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And so I think that one of the things that can be interesting is recognizing when it serves when you have a boost of adrenaline because you are about for kids, right?
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We'll talk about because you are about to have this race or because you're about to perform and how the kids can start to recognize like, oh, if I know how to calm myself down and I'm not at the mercy of my adrenaline, I can actually leverage it to have a better performance and to make the test at school go better than what I anticipated.
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And I think it can be the same for moms.
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Our day-to-day is gonna look different, but it can be tricky to let go of the adrenaline rush that's 24-7.
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But when we do, I think there are really moments when we can appreciate the value of it in a different way.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Okay, but let's go back to being overstimulated.
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If somebody's on the edge of losing their cool, what are some tools you recommend?
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Like they've been practicing in the interim, they've been practicing before bed with the morning coffee, they've been implementing the breathing at different points.
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What are some other ways they can regulate in the thick of a really stressful moment?
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Mm-hmm.
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My favorite one is just taking an inhale and letting out a big sigh.
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So a really exaggerated sigh.
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Yeah.
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The louder the better.
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Because I think that's a really good sign or cue to your nervous system that you're not being chased by a bear in this moment because you're actually taking this time to take the breath and have this sigh.
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And if you were running for your life, that wouldn't be happening.
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And it just does a quick shift, I feel like.
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No, you know, like when I feel myself escalating, I verbalize that to my children.
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Like I feel my chest is getting tight or that my heart's racing, or that I'm feeling frustrated because that helps them examine what maybe they are doing or adding to the chaos.
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Yeah.
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And they can help shift that as well.
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It's all about co-regulation too.
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Yeah, a hundred percent.
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Well, and I love the recognition that the physical sensation is sometimes the thing that's actually triggering to us.
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And if we can just name it to tame it that way, like naming the emotion is important.
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But sometimes if my heart is racing, I'm just stressed out because I'm feeling my heart racing, right?
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And so I'm like, oh, my heart is racing right now.
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Then we can approach the emotion from the physical side or the like mental emotional side.